Comments on: Cray Henry on HPCMP Archive Strategy http://insidehpc.com/2008/07/07/cray-henry-on-hpcmp-archive-strategy/ HPC News Without the Noise for Supercomputing Professionals | insideHPC Sun, 09 Jun 2013 01:54:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: John West http://insidehpc.com/2008/07/07/cray-henry-on-hpcmp-archive-strategy/#comment-72222 John West Sun, 13 Jul 2008 03:50:24 +0000 http://insidehpc.com/2008/07/07/cray-henry-on-hpcmp-archive-strategy/#comment-72222 Anon - are you still in the PET program? :-) Anon – are you still in the PET program? :-)

]]> By: John West http://insidehpc.com/2008/07/07/cray-henry-on-hpcmp-archive-strategy/#comment-72221 John West Sun, 13 Jul 2008 03:49:31 +0000 http://insidehpc.com/2008/07/07/cray-henry-on-hpcmp-archive-strategy/#comment-72221 Patrice - the preservation community certainly has a different norm for the use of the word "archiving" than the HPC and IT communities in general, and I'll grant you that we aren't archiving data in the same sense that the presidential libraries archive papers of our past leaders. But our use of the word "archival" in this sense is completely within the bounds of the IT and HPC communities use of the word, and our data is indeed organized, searchable, managed, preserved, and (if you read the linked article you'll see) completely intended to be accessed in the future. Thus the need to store it. I have 3 PBytes of the stuff in my center, one of those referenced in the article. Patrice – the preservation community certainly has a different norm for the use of the word “archiving” than the HPC and IT communities in general, and I’ll grant you that we aren’t archiving data in the same sense that the presidential libraries archive papers of our past leaders. But our use of the word “archival” in this sense is completely within the bounds of the IT and HPC communities use of the word, and our data is indeed organized, searchable, managed, preserved, and (if you read the linked article you’ll see) completely intended to be accessed in the future. Thus the need to store it. I have 3 PBytes of the stuff in my center, one of those referenced in the article.

]]> By: anon http://insidehpc.com/2008/07/07/cray-henry-on-hpcmp-archive-strategy/#comment-71682 anon Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:30:35 +0000 http://insidehpc.com/2008/07/07/cray-henry-on-hpcmp-archive-strategy/#comment-71682 With all due respect, having been an onsite at one of the centers listed in the article, I can tell you that Mr. Henry has no clue about the validity of the data he is trying to figure out how to store and pay for. He is a bean counter plain and simple... always was, always will be. For him it always boils down to cost and innovation goes out the window. After looking at one user who had a terrabyte of Netscape caches archived, I realized this is write once, read and validate never. Just my $0.02 With all due respect, having been an onsite at one of the centers listed in the article, I can tell you that Mr. Henry has no clue about the validity of the data he is trying to figure out how to store and pay for. He is a bean counter plain and simple… always was, always will be. For him it always boils down to cost and innovation goes out the window. After looking at one user who had a terrabyte of Netscape caches archived, I realized this is write once, read and validate never.

Just my $0.02

]]> By: John Leidel http://insidehpc.com/2008/07/07/cray-henry-on-hpcmp-archive-strategy/#comment-71648 John Leidel Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:04:29 +0000 http://insidehpc.com/2008/07/07/cray-henry-on-hpcmp-archive-strategy/#comment-71648 This is most definitely data archiving. The data archives currently present in many [if not all] of the major shared resource centers retains all of your aforementioned qualities. Considering the age of the HPCMP, its simply not mathematically possible for the data archive to be useful to multiple generations. The program is only 15 years old. This is most definitely data archiving. The data archives currently present in many [if not all] of the major shared resource centers retains all of your aforementioned qualities. Considering the age of the HPCMP, its simply not mathematically possible for the data archive to be useful to multiple generations. The program is only 15 years old.

]]> By: Patrice McDermott http://insidehpc.com/2008/07/07/cray-henry-on-hpcmp-archive-strategy/#comment-71626 Patrice McDermott Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:10:59 +0000 http://insidehpc.com/2008/07/07/cray-henry-on-hpcmp-archive-strategy/#comment-71626 What you are doing may be impressive in terms of storage, but it is not "archiving." Archived information is organized, searchable, managed, preserved, and intended to be accessible over time and usable by future generations. What you are doing may be impressive in terms of storage, but it is not “archiving.” Archived information is organized, searchable, managed, preserved, and intended to be accessible over time and usable by future generations.

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